Halifax,Huddersfield & Districr Rabbit Golf Association

Minutes of past meetings

 

 

Minutes
Committee meeting 4th. March 2009 Bradley Hall G.C. 7.30 pm.

Present Mr. President, A. Taylor, M. Elam, B. Isles, A. Ashworth, P. Ford, M. Hannaby, J. Turner, A. Linley, B. Goldspink, R. Grierson, J. McGrath, A. Harper, D. Stubbings, D. Pickles, D. Greenwood.

Apologies C. Ibbotson, M. Stedman, D. Fryer, D. Francis, D. Dickinson,
G. Arnison.

Minutes of last meeting Proposed by A. Taylor. Seconded by B. Goldspink.

Matters Arising. None.

Competitions. Mr. President asked Adrian Ashworth the Competition Coordinator if he had anything report on competitions.

Adrian said that the R.T. Morley draw had been completed and was now on the website. The draw for the Mellor Trophy was also on the website.
Adrian went on to say that teams will be named for the Presidents Day which is on the 19th. May at Outlane by 7th.April but as yet he had only received entries from Willow Valley and Outlane.
Adrian said that he had received a request from Crosland Heath to move their League home game against Todmorden to Tuesday 21st. April. He said that he had granted the request as it was backward anyway.
He said that the preliminary round of the League Cup was also on the website.

The President said that the 7th. and the 8th. greens were being relayed at Outlane Golf Club and he was concerned that the alternative arrangements to play the course would be adequate for us to play the Presidents Day competition there.
It was decided after some discussion that as everyone would be playing the same course under the same limitations everything would alright.
The competition would be a Non Qualifying Stableford.

Treasurers Report The total balance as at 5/03/2009
Community Account £1,896.16
Premium Account £3,655.61
Cash in Hand £267.33
Total £5,819.10

The Treasurer Mr. Malcolm Elam said that although a few clubs had been late in paying their subscriptions everyone was now fully paid up.

Malcolm brought the R.T. Morley Trophy to everyone’s attention by placing it on the table and saying that he thought that the concern previously shown about its condition was unfounded. He said that the trophy looked in good condition.
A few members of the committee were not totally convinced, the Secretary said that the trophy had been repaired several times in the last few years.
It was decided to keep on using the existing trophy for the time being, as it would be expensive to replace in its present form as it is quite unique.

The Treasurers Report was proposed by J. Turner and seconded by P. Ford.

Correspondence The Secretary David Stubbings said that all the correspondence had been about dates for the coming year.
Leeds Area had finally come up with a date and a venue for our annual competition but we had to alter this as it was on the same day we play against Bradford Area. We now play fixture on the 2nd. July at Mid Yorkshire Golf Club.
David said that all the other changes were on the revised list that he had handed out.

AOB The Secretary said that he thought the excess amount of money now in the HHDRGA bank account should be used to keep the Area Committee solvent, use it for unforeseen expenses and keep subscriptions down for the clubs. This was met with general approval.
(The question of what to do with this money was brought up by M. Elam at a previous meeting).

Date of next meeting Mr. President said that the next meeting would be on the 3rd. June at 7.30pm at Bradley Hall Golf Club.

Meeting closed The President thanked everyone for attending and closed the meeting at 8.03pm.

Signed___________Malcolm Turner HHDRGA President

 

Minutes of the meeting on the 9th. of May 2007 at Bradley Hall Golf Club.

Present Mr. President, M. Elam (Treasurer), D. Stubbings (Secretary), J. McGrath, P. Gull,
K. Aldridge, M. Stedman, M. Turner, R. Grierson, I. Donaldson, G. Arnison,
G. Smith, J. Turner, B. Isles, W. Frankish, K. Jenkinson,

Apologies B. Goldspink, A. Ashworth, D. Wilson, M. Hannaby, G. Buchan, B. Hinton.
Both G. Buchan and M. Hannaby said that they would be available to help on Presidents Day.

B. Hinton said his time was limited because of his duties as Yorkshire President.

Minutes from Last Meeting Proposed by Mr. B. Isles . Seconded by Mr. R. Grieson.

Matters arising None.

Competitions Presidents Day
Mr. President asked how arrangements for the day were progressing. The Secretary
That he had tickets for the raffle and batteries for the two way radios.
Mr. Stedman gave out the order of play for the members of the committee.
The President and the Secretary would start on the desk and Mr. G. Smith would be
Starter. Mr. M. Elam said that he had got the wine for the prizes. The President
asked for extra prizes. Barry Isles said that he had informed his club members that
there was going to be a raffle on the day and it would be good of them if they
contributed £5 towards it.
It was decided that Dewsbury Golf Club still had the Jubilee Trophy and that could
return it on the day. Mr. President that prizes on the day should be vouches for
£100, £80, £70, £60, £40 & £20 for individual winners and the winning club got the
Jubilee Trophy. The Vice President Mr. John Turner would be providing prizes for
the committees winner. Mr. Gerald Smith was told that committee members could
play for their own club team and that Standard Scratch was to be worked out on the
day so play was off White Boxes.
Norgate Trophy.
Mr. J. Turner ( President elect ) said everything was organized for the competition at
Crow Nest Park Golf Club on the 14th.June 2007. He also said that Outlane Golf Club
have the trophy as they won it last year.
The Mellor and the R. T. Morley trophies
Mr. Aldridge (Competition Coordinator) said that both competitions were running
well, but his computer was down so he was only taking telephone messages.
League Cup
Mr. Stedman (Webmaster) said that results were coming in slowly.
Thornton Trophy
Mr. G. Arnison reminded everybody that the dress code was jacket and tie at
Woodsome Hall Golf Club on the 18th. June.
Plowright Trophy
Mr. President asked about peoples availability for the competition.

Correspondence Minutes of Yorkshire Rabbit Golf Association meeting at Wath Golf Club on the
16th. April were made available for members to read.
A letter from Leeds & District Golf Association fixing a date of 12th. June at
Middleton Park G. C. for our meeting.
Letters had been sent to Crosland Heath G. C. and Ryburn G. C. requesting use of
Their courses for competitions.
A letter had been sent to Elland Golf Club asking them to nominate a member for
President of HH&DRGA for the year 2010.
Treasurers report Total Balance as at 09/05/2007
Community Account £1,693.25
Premium Account £3,576.83
Cash in Hand £26.83
Total £5,296.91

A. O. B. The Secretary asked the question were the club representatives in touch with Rabbit
Sections in the clubs and has Mr. Buchan’s efforts been a success ?
The conclusion was that it had been a success in general but more reps needed to
Attend more often and there was more contact with the clubs.
Mr. Donaldson wanted to know the position of the Reps and how best to move
forward. Mr. President explained the idea of the Reps and what they do.
Mr. Aldridge asked if all the clubs were getting the minutes of the meetings. So Mike
Stedman suggested we could see if we can put it on the website.
Mr. W. Frankish had brought in the Mellor Trophy which is a shield and showed us a
few ideas they had for improving it as they thought it was of good quality rather than
replacing it with a new one.
Mr. M. Elam suggested that the shield was made more elaborate.

Mr. President closed the meeting at 8-25pm.

The next meeting is on Wednesday 22nd. of August at 7-30pm at Bradley Hall G. C.

Signed Tony Taylor President.

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Minutes of the meeting on the 22nd. August 2007 at Bradley Hall Golf Club

Present Mr. President, B.Hinton, M.Hannaby, G.Buchan, M.Turner D.Francis,
D.Dickinson, J.McGrath, R.Grierson, B.Isles, B.Goldspink, L.Learoyd,
C.Sharp, J.Saunders, M.Roberts, K.Aldridge, G.Smith, D.Stubbings.

Apologies J.Turner, A.Ashworth, M.Stedman, D.Fryer, K.Jenkinson, C.Ibbotson,
M.Elam, G.Arnison, W.Frankish

Minutes of
Last meeting Proposed by B. Isles Seconded by R. Grierson.

Matters
Arising Mr. M. Hannaby brought in new Mellor Trophy

Competitions Mr. President gave out the results of the Area Matches.
5th.June H&H vs. Wakefield, at Outlane H&H won 3.5 to 2.5
12th. June H&H vs. Leeds away at Middleton Park result 3 all H&H retained trophy
4th. July H&H. beat Bradford Area at Crow Nest Park 4 & 2 20th. July Plowright Trophy at Ripon, creditable performance by team, poor one by President he had trouble with water.
30th. July Yorkshire Presidents team lost to a team from Flamborough at Woodsome Hall.
3rd. August H&H. lost to Flamborough and District 5 & 3 at Whitby.

Jubilee Trophy
1st. T. Surman Willow Valley 40points
2nd. P. Sands Woodsome Hall 39
3rd. R. Skelly Willow Valley 38

Presidents Trophy
1st. Willow Valley 243points
2nd. Woodsome Hall 218
3rd. Meltham 213

Committee
1st. Gerald Smith
2nd. Gordon Buchan. Vice President supplied the prizes.

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Norgate Trophy
1st. S. Wood Willow Valley 69
2nd. F. Leek Castlefields 70
3rd. G. Buchan Huddersfield 70

Team Trophy
1st. Willow Valley 225
2nd. Halifax Ogden 228
3rd. Huddersfield 230

The Norgate Trophy held at Crow Nest Park Golf Club on the 12th. July where Carole Stainton Sid Norgates daughter presented the trophies.

Mr. President asked for helpers at Ogden G. C. for the semi-finals and also for the finals day to be held at Saddleworth G. C.
Keith Aldridge Competition coordinator said that the competitions were running well and that everything should be alright for Finals Day.

Annual Dinner Invitations were to be sent out to Area Presidents, and Mr. President
Said that lounge suits were to be the order of the day.

Correspondence
Mr. Chris Ibbotson from Elland Golf Club had accepted the position of President of HHDRGA for 2010.
Most dates had been agreed for next years Area Competitions.
Mike Hannaby asked that thank you letters be sent to Crow Nest Park and Saddleworth Golf Clubs for use of their courses.

Treasurers Report

No report

A. O. B.

There was a problem with two of Castlefields league team handicap
Certificates when they played at Ogden. The dispute was settled in
Ogden’s favour on the night. A delegation came to the meeting from Ogden to put their case to the committee. It was decided that as the
Home team were correct in applying the rules to the letter at the time.
But there will be a rewording of the rules for next year.
A letter had been sent to the HHDRGA which questioned the validity
Of a Castlefield players handicap and status. Mr. Goldspink the representative from the Club said that as far as they were concerned
The player had been a member quite a number of years and that his handicap was genuine.
Mr. Aldridge said that he would make a few enquiries but he thought that things would be alright.

The Annual Dinner is on the 19th. October. The next meeting is on the 23rd. October. The President closed the meeting at 8.45pm.

Mr. President Tony Taylor _____

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Minutes of the meeting held at Bradley Hall G.C. on the 23rd. October 2007.

Present
Mr. President, J. Turner, M. Elam, B. Isles, D. Dickinson, G. Arnison, D. Francis,
R. Grierson, B. Hinton, M. Hannaby, G. Buchan, J. McGrath, M. Stedman,
A. Ashworth, K. Aldridge, C. Ibbotson, K. Jenkinson, B. Goldspink, D. Stubbings.

Apologies W.Frankish.

Mr. President introduced Mr. Chris Ibbotson from Elland to the committee as HHDRGA President for 2010.

Minutes of the last meeting
Proposed by Mr. President Seconded by Mr. R. Grierson
Matters Arising None

A.G.M.
The Secretary read out letters concerning rules and incidents from the past year.
The first issue was the awarding of 5 points and 6 shots to a league team when the other team did not turn up.
Mr. Aldridge thought that awarding 5 points was not always fair.
But it was thought by some that a disputes committee should make a ruling at this time.
Mr. Buchan said that he thought that just making changes to the wording might cause a few problems.
Adrian Ashworth said that dispute committees could just create two many unnecessary meetings.
Barry Goldspink said that the problems Castlefields had this past year would probably have been resolved quicker had a disputes committee been used.
Jack McGrath proposed that Dispute Committees should be used only as a last possible resort.
Adrian agreed with that proposal.
It was decided that the rule should stand.
The next item was that of Handicap Certificates .
Gordon Buchan proposed that handicap certificates when produced for a competition should be no older than one month.
D. Stubbings agreed with Gordon saying that on Finals Day some certificates were several months old and that two were not the correct handicap. Barry Isles said that their was no need to have them so up to date unless the handicap had changed.
K. Aldridge proposed that in league games if certificates were not available on the night both captains must agree to produce them at an agreed time.
Barry then proposed that HANDICAP CERTIFICATES SHOULD BE NO OLDER THAN 2 MONTHS.
The last two proposals were seconded voted on and passed.
It was agreed that all rounds that qualified did not have to be medal rounds they could be stableford rounds as long as it was clear that they were QUALIFYING ROUNDS.
And that you must have at least 3 qualifying rounds in the last 12 months.
Mr. Aldridge said that handicap certificates should be kept up to at all levels of competitions and proposed that when it came to semi-finals and finals of a competition a handicap certificate should have at least 2 of the 3 qualifying rounds played in the last 6 months.
This was Seconded by Mike Stedman and agreed by a vote.
A Rule Amendment to the R.T. Morley and Mellor Trophy competitions was proposed by Mike Stedman will read;
“If no agreement can be reached as to when a match can be played, Then said players/teams shall be on the tee 6-00pm on the final day designated. Failing to do so will result in forfeiture of the match by any person/team not being there. If no result has been received within 24 hours after the final date then both parties will be deemed as not having played and will be scratched”. This was seconded by D. Stubbings voted on and passed.
Mike Stedman will put the amended rules on the website.
Competitions
Mr. President said that he would rearrange the Committee Trophy as it got washed out the first time.
Treasurers Report
Community Account 1,149-39
Premium Account 3,603-68
Cash in hand 244-33
Total Balance at 23/10/2007 £4,997-40
Correspondence
Bradford Secretary changed date for inter area competition.
Mr. Hudson Meltham Rabbit Secretary sent their apologies for not sending a team to represent them on Finals Day in the four ball competition.
Peter Wilkinson Bradford Area President sent his apologies as he was unable to attend the Annual dinner.
Those who replied accepting our invitation wereYRGA President Brian Hinton.
Mike Varley Flamborough President and Leeds President Trevor Gurney.
Other letters concerning rules and competitions were read out in the AGM section.
A. O. B.
Secretary’s proposal to separate the AGM and the LEAGUE AGM. Having the League AGM in February and league meeting at the same time was agreed and passed.
D. Stubbings asked the question now that Keith Aldridge Competition Coordinator had a handicap of 13 should he carry on with his position on the HHDRGA committee?
Keith admitted he was in a funny position, but said that he was willing to go on for another year or till some one else came forward to take over.
Mike Stedman said that he ought to give up his position on the committee as he is no longer a rabbit and that his work could be done by himself and the secretary.
Keith’s offer to stay on for another year was accepted by a show of hands.

Mr. President thanked every one for coming and closed the meeting at 9,00pm

Next meeting is on the 4th. December at Bradley Hall G.C.
AGM is on the 21st. November

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December 4th. 2007 meeting at Bradley Hall Golf Club.

Present President, D. Fryer, B. Isles, D. Dickinson, A. Linley, B. Goldspink, C. Ibbotson, W. Frankish, M. Hannaby, R. Grierson, M. Stedman, J. McGrath, B. Hinton, K. Aldridge, D. Francis, D. Stubbings.

Apologies G. Buchan, M. Turner Halifax, Huddersfield & District Rabbit Golf Association
President John Turner

Minutes of the, G. Arnison, R. Griffiths, M. Elam, A. Ashworth.

Minutes of last meeting Proposed by B. Isles, seconded by D. Francis.

Matters Arising Mr. President thanked Tony Taylor for re-arranging the Committee Cup and congratulated the winner, Adrian Ashworth and runner up Tony Taylor.
Mr. President said that we needed a “Disputes Committee” and asked who should be on it. Keith Aldridge was proposed by B. Hinton as he said that he would know all about the issue in hand. M. Stedman put in a counter proposal that persons completely separate from the dispute should be on the committee. K. Aldridge said that the Disputes Committee would not be used very often as he thought the rules were quite “water tight”.
It was decided that the committee be made up of The President, the Immediate Past President and A Past President B. Isles was asked to fill this roll and he accepted the position. This was voted on by the committee members present and passed.
Mr. President asked that the minutes for the year be put on the Website Mike Stedman
said that now the October minutes had been passed that is what he would do.

Correspondence A Letter sent to Bradley Hall Golf Club thanking them for the use of their club house and facilities over the last year and asking them if we could have use of them over the coming year of 2008 for our meetings which I have made a list of.
A letter to Eric Haigh thanking him for his letter and saying that we had dealt with the issues that he had brought up in a fair and democratic way.
E-mails were sent informing clubs of the date of our A.G.M.
A letter has been received from Leeds President Trevor Gurney saying that he had enjoyed himself at our annual dinner.

Competitions Meltham Golf Club have asked us (the Association) to supply a team to play in a rabbits day (Ryder Cup style) competition for their Centenary Year. This will take place on Saturday 13th. September and will be £25 per person. This includes 9 holes in the morning bacon sandwich 18 in the afternoon and a dinner afterwards.
Money raised will go to alterations to the club house.
The Norgate Trophy will change from being a medal competition to a “Stableford” competition, on a team and individual basis this was approved by the meeting.
Keith said that he would contact clubs with the draw for the competitions and inform them of the change in format at the time.
Entry forms will be put on website.
Mike Stedman asked for members of Meltham Golf Club to be given a certain amount leeway with handicap certificates because they not be able to play the required number of qualifying rounds because of damage to the greens.
Brian Hinton proposed that Meltham members be given dispensation as far as qualifying rounds on their cards go but they must keep their certificates up to date until further notice. This was seconded by Keith Aldridge and passed by a vote of the committee.

Dates The committee were each given a paper with dates on for the coming year. Mike Stedman said that he thought that the schedule was too busy in July but it was generally thought that this could be overcome by giving more people a chance to play than last year. The committee was told that we were still waiting for dates from Wakefield Area and the Yorkshire Rabbit Golf Association.

Treasurers Report The report had not changed from the A.G.M. report which was;
Premium account 3603.68
Community account 995.51
Cash in hand 261.83
Total £4861.02

A.O.B. Mr. President proposed that we do not allow the “banned” drivers to be played in our competitions to keep in line with clubs and the rest of golfing “regulations” this was agreed on and passed by the committee. Mike Stedman is to put it on the website
in a link.
Barry Isles said that he thought that “distance aids” should not be allowed to be used. As a golfer had used one at Bradley Park G.C. in a competition and had been reprimanded. It was decided that the President should apply to the Royal and Ancient for a ruling.
Mr. President said that he wanted to hold the 2008 Annual Dinner at his own golf club Crow Nest Park instead of at Dewsbury & District G.C. where it was already booked he said that he would have a word with the secretary.
To have the dinner at Crow Nest Park he would have a marquee erected and have the dinner carvery style he said that we could do it for about the same price as this year as the club would use the marquee for another function that same week.

The League meeting is on the 27th.February 2008.
The next committee meeting is on the 5th. March 2008

Mr. President closed the meeting at 8.10pm and wished everybody a merry Christmas and a happy New Year.

Signed______________________HHDRGA President John Turner.

Date

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Halifax, Huddersfield & District Rabbit Golf Association

Minutes 2008 League Meeting
Bradley Hall G.C. 27/02/08

Present
Bradley Park, Bradley Hall, Castlefields, Crosland Heath, Crow Nest Park, Elland, Hebden Bridge, Huddersfield, Lightcliffe, Longley Park, Marsden, Meltham, Outlane, Queensbury, Saddleworth, Todmorden, West End, Willow Valley, Woodsome Hall.
Minutes of last Meeting
Proposed by M. Turner (Outlane) Seconded by C. Ibbotson (Elland).
Matters Arising
S. Taylor (W.V.) Questioned the ruling on buggies saying that a player on visiting their course said that he would not play there in a league game again unless he could use a buggy. Mr. President said that the ruling stood that a player had to be disabled or had a doctors note to use a buggy in a competition.
League Results 2007
Div (A) Winners Halifax Ogden, relegated Huddersfield & Outlane.
Div (B) Winners Woodsome Hall also promoted Willow Valley relegated Bradley Park & Saddleworth.
Div (C) Winners Bradley Hall also promoted Marsden relegated Queensbury & Lightcliffe.
Div (D) Winners Todmorden also promoted Hebden Bridge.
League Cup Winners
Outlane Golf Club.
Rules
Keith Aldridge (Competition Coordinator) apologised to the people who had been to the AGM for the fact that he was going to go through the league rule changes again and he recommended that all those people who play in the league teams and other HHDRGA competitions should read the rules before they play.
He said rather than sending in the result cards just phone or e-mail the result into him or Mike Stedman and keep the signed result card for your own account.
If anyone had any queries or problems, not to sign the card and get in touch with him within 24hrs. if he could not give any satisfaction, then he would call on a “Disputes Committee” to resolve the situation.
Keith then went on to explain the method of scoring on the league results card and how the final score was achieved. After questions from those present it was finally decided that”2 and 1” is better than “2 up”.
He went on to say that “Handicap Certificates” must be produced before a game is started. If the 2 captains agree the certificates can be shown the next day but once you agree it is no good complaining.
Keith said that all certificates must be “Full Handicap Certificates” and that “Qualifying Competitions” count. All players must be over 18 years old and full members of the club.
A game must be started between 5pm and 6pm if for any reason a game is to be cancelled you must get in touch with the other team and it must be arranged to be played within the set time.
J. Anderton (Todmordon) asked what if the game was set to be played late on in the time allotted. Keith said that the Disputes Committee would be called on.
If a game has to be abandoned for light or weather or what ever reason then the game has to be started on the same hole using the same players. The league cup is the same you have to use the same team.
Barry Goldspink (Todmorden) asked if the website was to date. Keith said that it was 90% correct but it would be updated.
Keith went on to say that in the semi finals of the knockout competitions (R.T. Morley, Mellor Trophy & Crosland Heath Trophy) the competitors needs to show on his handicap certificate that he has played at least 2 qualifying rounds of golf that season and up to date.
Keith said that because of the problems that occurred last year in the R.T. Morley competition with competitors not being able to agree a date on which to play.
He said that when a person makes a decision to play in a competition he has got to take it in account when he arranges his holidays.
The committee agreed that both players must make the effort to get in touch.
If one player continues to have problems getting his opponent to agree to a date he must let Keith know and turn up on the last day of the allotted time if his opponent fails to turn up then his opponent is disqualified.
Keith said that he wanted the names in for the R.T. Morley in by 1/3/08. He went on to say that the Norgate Trophy had changed from a “Medal” to a “Stableford” competition.

The use of artificial aids for measuring distance in competition was brought up but the President (John Turner) said that in a way artificial aids were already being used, such as markers etc. but it was mechanical artificial aids that were in question and we do not condone the use of them if the club that they were playing at had a local rule saying that they could be used in competition then it was down to them. But at the present time there is no place for them in our competitions. He also said that “Nonconforming Drivers” were not to be used.
Keith told the club representatives that Mike Stedman wanted their club details as soon as possible contacts and their emails etc.
Correspondence
Richard Griffiths sent his apologies and that he has had to resign from the Rabbit Committee at Lightcliffe G.C. for family health reasons.

Jack Anderton sent an email with a proposal from Todmorden Golf Club.
That the normal dress code for league matches should become smart casual and the meal provided be informal (eg. Soup sandwiches / chips or similar) rather than a full 2/3 course meal. Where a club has an existing dress code which would prevent this, such as a requirement that jacket and tie must be worn by everyone in the bar or dining room after certain times, then this would be respected. It would also be possible for both clubs to agree for a particular fixture to adopt jacket and tie and a full meal. This would need the approval of both clubs prior to the fixture.
The President recommended that when the fixtures were between teams were being set up dress code and the meal could also be agreed.
Mike Thornton said that Crosland Heath G.C. had a smart casual code for the fixture.
Mr. Malcolm Turner (HHDRGA Vice President) proposed that each clubs “Code” should go on the website. This was thought to be a good idea and would be looked into.
Mike Coupland said that Woodsome Hall G.C. had a jacket and tie code of dress.
The other Clubs who require a more formal dress are Meltham, Fixby, Outlane, West End and Longley Park.
If the clubs who were not present could let us know their dress code it would appreciated.
A OB
Mr. President invited Adrian Ashworth to speak to the meeting about the
“ Meltham Centenary”. Which Adrian said was to be all clubs rabbit sections versus Meltham Rabbit section on the 13th.September with 10 holes in the morning then sandwiches 18 holes in the afternoon followed by an evening meal there were entry forms for people to take away entry was £25pp and two from each club.

The President thanked everybody for attending and closed the meeting at 8.25pm.

Signed____________________John Turner President HHDRGA